Managing the Unmanageable by Mickey W. Mantle / Ron Lich...

Uh, aeronautical engineering is very cut and dried. Uh, electronics engineering is very cut and dried mechanical engineering is very cut and dried. And that combination of engineering and artfulness or engineering and craft is pretty unusual. When we’re in the software business, our goal is to delight customers, but we have to be very analytical about it as well as artful. Ron Lichty 00:03:00 That it’s put together in a very artful way to deliver it, to delight customers. And interestingly music has both a left brain and a right brain kind of aspect to it. The number of programmers who also do music is, is really huge. It’s no weird thing that there’s a huge crossover between software developers and musicians. Um, we tend to refer to ourselves as software engineers, but while there’s some engineering aspects to what we do, there’s also art to what we do. Ron Lichty 00:02:08 Well, a programming manager is a manager, coupe manages programmers and the, um, the challenge is that my coauthor Mickey mantle, and I think that programmers are that we who, who are or have been programmers are pretty unique bunch. Could you define what is a programming manager? Thanks, Nate, your book managing the unmanageable talks about programming managers in contrast to other kinds of managers. He has had vice president roles in engineering and products, both as an employee and as a consultant, Ron has given a conference and professional group talks on implementing agile and scrum and transforming software development from chaos to clarity, Ron, welcome to software engineering radio. First online investment tools since Schwab. Ron then led software development of Schwab dot coms. Ron went on to direct development of entertainment products at Berkeley systems and Fujitsu specializing in making development predictable and repeatable. Ron product managed Apple’s development tools then led to finder and applications groups for the Apple two and Macintosh product lines managing delivery of Apple’s user interface. I’m very pleased to welcome Ron Lichty co author of managing the unmanageable to the show recruited to Apple in 1988.

Nate Black 00:01:05 This is Nate black for software engineering radio.

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Managing the Unmanageable by Mickey W. Mantle / Ron Lich...